It is Thank Giving so re-enjoy this episode form the archives.
One of the biggest issues of BrewPi Remix is that people Google BrewPi and they get directed to old forum posts. When you look at old posts like this you will find outdated instructions. With BrewPi Remix you can install the software with a single one-line command.
The Brew Pi is an amazing piece of software and hardware and has been around for a very long time. Today we are going to talk about the Brew PI Remix and how you can build a controller easier than ever keeping your fermentation dialed to a tenth of a degree. Le Bussy the creator of Brew Pi Remix talks to us today on Homebrewing DIY.
If you want more information about building your own BrewPi Remix set up head over to Lee’s website at http://brewpiremix.com
You can find a list of needed parts here: https://www.brewpiremix.com/brewpi/
Here is the full BrewPi Remix documentation: http://docs.brewpiremix.com
Here is an example of what your setup could look like: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3416312
Head over to https://homebrewingdiy.beer for Lee’s Skeeter Pee Recipe
Show Transcript
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Colter (Host): Welcome back to homebrewing DIY the show that takes on the do it yourself. Aspect of homebrewing, gadgets, contraptions, and parts. This show covers it all on today’s show. We’re talking to Lee Bussey about the brew pie remix brew pie. Remix is a fermentation chamber controller based on the raspberry PI and Arduino UNO.
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Colter (Host): Any feedback is appreciated. And if you want to ask a question or just tell us how we’re doing, send your feedback to podcast@homebrewingdiy.beer that’s podcast@homebrewingdiy.beer. Now let’s get into our discussion with Lee Bussy and talk to him about the brew pie remix.
Colter (Host): I’d like to welcome to the show Lee Bussy. He’s the founder of brew pie remix, which is an offshoot or a fork off of the original brew pie project. I’d like to welcome him to the show. Highly here.
Lee Bussey: I am. Thanks very much for having me.
Colter (Host): Yeah. It’s great to have you on the show. Um, I think where we should get started is let’s just kind of talk about the history of brew pie. Let’s assume I’ve never even heard of group high. Let’s start with what it is and how it was founded, and then hop into kind of how you ended up doing your own project with it.
Lee Bussey: Sure thing. Well, um, the originator was, uh, Uber fridge, uh, revise, predecessor. It was created by a Dutch homebrewer named Elko Jacobs. At the time he was an electrical engineering student. Uh, the first Google code project popped up November 12th, 2011. And, uh, in the end of November, uh, Uber fringe website came live. He created it using the Arduino nano, which was the predecessor of the Ono. And, uh, the web server, he actually had running on an old router.He had laying around running DDW, RT, which is a, uh, an open source firmware for the first, um, you know, it’s a, it’s a PID controller, proportional, integral, and derivative. And that’s sort of analogous to controlling the speed in the car. If you can picture going up a Hill and gradually let your foot off the gas as you come to the top, you know, you’re, you’re, you’re coasting a little bit. And then going down, you’re going to let the cards right. To keep the same speed. So that controller from temperature does the same thing. It reads the temperatures, it adjusts to the way the, uh, chamber reacts. And then it controls them accordingly. So, uh, after, uh, Uber fridge, uh, he decided to move on to the new thing, which was Arduino. Uh, and then the, uh, first firmware for that, the Arduino UNO original one was September 27th, 2012, and shortly thereafter, there was an article in hack day, which, uh, really kicked it off for him, uh, followed by another article in wired. Uh, he decided at that point to give up on the router, running the website, it was more novelty than anything else. And started using the raspberry PI, which is a called a SOC or system on a chip computer, fairly low entry price computer for folks. It is Unix-based, but it’s got a nice front end and it’s, it’s friendly. It’s a friendly Unix-based computer or server in this case for the project. Elko decided to discontinue the Arduino version or the version of group high, because he said he was, uh, spending more time optimizing for code size because that who knows only 32 K. I mean, if you picture a 32 K memory, the BM 51 50 was released in 1981 with 64 K. So 32 K is not very much. Um, he spent a lot of time optimizing it. Wasn’t powerful enough for the growth that he really wanted to add to the project. Um, so the last commit was in 2015, uh, you know, in conversations online with Elko, he always points out. And I think I need to say this to be fair to him that he was not proud of the design. As he learned more about development and developing these applications, he found out that he wished he would have done things differently. So they moved on to brew blocks on the spark platform. Uh, and that is something he says he’s really proud of, so that all the new hotness, the new commercial, uh, yet still open source products are on that, uh, brew blocks. It’s a complete brewery control. Um, but with Suburu PI, uh, I think people really drawn to it, especially on the RD. We know know because it has a low cost of entry. Um, it does one thing extremely well, and that is control the temperature of your beer with an a plus or minus a 10th of a degree. Uh, and it’s not that hard to get running.
Colter (Host): I would agree with that. I might, my first setup, was it original brew brew pie on the Arduino? I think that with your Asbury PI fully the full cost of that was about 50, 60 bucks. So it was a very, very inexpensive cost of entry and. Simple. You could just get on the internet and follow instructions and be online and you could be up and running pretty easily.
Lee Bussey: You could. And, uh, those instructions, you know, there, they were spread. All over the internet. And I think that’s part of the challenge that people have if any of getting started is trying to find the right bit of information. So as you know, Homebrew talk has got a, what we call mega thread. Uh, I don’t know how many posts, I think it’s in the seven thousands now. Uh, just talking about this one very simple product.
Colter (Host): Yes. Uh, that, that particular thread, I don’t even think we’ll take new comments on it. It’s so big. It it’s, it, it it’s been around for so long. Uh, so I, I would say let’s now get into why you decided to fork that project and move over and create brew pie remix.
Lee Bussey: Yeah. So yeah, I want to really emphasize that it is a fork. Um, I did not take over brew. PI Elko still owns the website, uh, owns the original GitHub repository. I created a new repository, which was a copy of his original work of the legacy branch legacy branch from being that, which provided the art. Do we know who no-code. Um, just before Christmas, a friend of mine killed his brew pie, set up folks that have experienced with raspberry PI and know that those little SD cards have a bad habit of going bad. Um, there was a rather convoluted process, a person to go through to install the newer brew pie versions, and then refer it back to legacy in order to be able to support the art. Do we know who know. Um, but we found out that even that wasn’t available because of changes to some of the core libraries that it uses, uh, like PHP. So, um, a couple of beers and bourbons later, I thought, you know, I can fix this. Um, and one thing led to another. So, uh, before I knew it, I’ve got over a thousand commits, 903 changed files and decided that, you know, rebranding that as group high remix with Elvis blessing, by the way, was the way to go. It’s uh, I wanted to make sure that my friend could install it when he had to next, instead of having to call me over there. Now, I don’t mind going over and drinking his beer. Where’s bourbon, but, uh, he, he needs to be able to install that himself.
Colter (Host): Yeah, I totally agree. And you, you even have a website that has all of the instructions, uh, and, and a place for people to be able to go and kind of find their way around. If I wanted to just kind of get started with brew pie remix, what, what kind of big changes have you made to the brew pie software? That’s different from when. It was kind of abandoned into the legacy branch.
Lee Bussey: Well, I started with the tool set. Uh, it’s it’s split up into several parts. So there’s the firmware that runs when they are doing now. There is a website that actually is that user interface. There’s the scripts that do the communication back and forth with the Arduino. And then there’s the tools and the tools are what handle the installation, uh, changing permissions just in general, making sure everything is running well. So that was my initial. Effort. Um, so the one thing I want to do, and my friend, John Beeler, thorac on the Homebrew talk says that, uh, if somebody has a problem, that’s a bug and that’s something I really took to heart. So I wanted a one line install. Somebody can cut and paste a single command. On the command line in a terminal window and it will install. So that’s the biggest feature there? Uh, no running multiple scripts. You run this and by the time it’s done after asking you a couple of simple questions, it’s running, you can go to the webpage and you have this wonderful, very familiar now, classic rupiah looking webpage. Um, in addition since I can’t leave well enough alone, um, uh, my current job right now, I’ve got a very large focus on security. So on the back end, um, I, I tuned some things a little bit to make sure that the average person wasn’t making mistakes. That could leave themselves open to hacking. Uh, there are some very bad actors out there and they can do things that would curl your toes. So I wanted to make sure that the system itself is a little bit better protected. It’s not hardened. It’s not ready to be on the internet if you will, but it’s definitely better than it was. Um, it now runs in a Daymond mode, which is, uh, like a service instead of the old crontab entries that were problems were troublesome. And then the script starts, pastor generally people would sit there, hammering away on the start script button until it finally took off. I know it starts in seconds. Um, I’ve had multi chamber support, which is one of the biggest hacks out there that people used to look for wanting to run or control more than one refrigerator with one group I set up. So now I’ve got a menu page where you can view all of your chambers at once and then drill down into each one and control it like normal. Um, and support for the ESPN two 66, which is a very small controller that features prominently in the, for metric product. Um, From a track was based on group high. So that was a pretty easy lift to bring that in there. So now people can use that controller if that’s really what they want to do and use that with a comfortable soothing group, high interface. I’ve added in support for wifi controllers, which builds upon the Bluetooth control that folks have used in the past. Um, something that just came out and one of the last feature releases was tilt, support, love the tilt hydrometer. Uh, those guys have done a fantastic job with the tilt and being able to see that on the screen as you’re going through your fermentation is awesome. Um, and then the last feature release and support for what’s called an ITC LCD. So the, the standard LCD that was always part of the project had this big 2010 K or 16 pin cable, I guess it was, um, sort of like the old computer hard drive cables. I to see on these four pins, which freed up some pens for doing some other things. So that’s a little bit easier and it was also important because it removed the necessity to have a shield. There was supporting circuitry required for the Arduino in order to be able to control the LCD previously. Now that’s not required. Uh, although we did create a new shield catty, Berber on Homebrew talk. Assisted me with getting a new shield together since it’s very full feature and it works with either of those two LCD choices, but importantly, a person can put together. Yeah, they’re an Arduino UNO running group. I remix with an LCD without ever picking up a soldering iron. So I think that was one of the biggest things that came in that last feature release.
C: I have to admit, being able to set up a brew pie without having to pick up a soldering iron is a really big leap in the right direction and making it available for more people. Would you agree?
Lee Bussey: But you know, when I started out with this, I, I. Maybe used a soldering iron twice before in my life. Um, you know, the day trip around the home route talk threads and he’s an electrical engineer. And what he says is simple. I simply did this. I always shake my head. Sometimes I don’t even know what he’s talking about. So, you know, with his help over the years, I’ve certainly come along. But, uh, you know, to be able to just plug things together with a few DuPont jumpers, uh, really much easier, much quicker and work a lot easier on the benches. I changed things around.
Colter (Host): Yeah. Especially if you’re trying to add different features, like, Hey, maybe I want to see if an LCD will work, but it’s not necessarily necessary to run it. And so just being able to do so with DuPonts and just kind of breadboarding it out and having it run easily is kind of really attractive too. I think somebody who’s brand new to any of this, right.
Lee Bussey: Yeah, I think so. All the other products, um, even, uh, the Fermin track and John has done a fantastic job with form and track with the front end, it’s quite modernized and everything, but there is a cost of entry in that you must do some soldering at the very least to put the pins on that ESP board, they don’t come soldered on. Arduino has always been very friendly to, uh, tinkers in that case.
Colter (Host): Absolutely. Absolutely. And my, I would say when it comes to other new features, like for example, adding the tilt, hydrometer what. Changes does that add to the software? So like right now, it’s going to track, for example, without the tilt hydrometer, that’s going to track, obviously my heating and cooling and what, what my current temperature is of my beer. Does that actually add an additional line to the software where. You’re able to see what the gravity looks like.
Lee Bussey: Yeah. It shows up right on the original screen where you see your temperature graph. You can see the specific gravity over time. You see this nice curve dropping off. So you get an idea of when you’re ready to change temperatures. Well, when your beer or wine is just done fermenting and you can rack or move on to the next step, um, No, I don’t take any action on the specific gravity right now. Um, you know, group highlights has a beans to create a profile of temperature profile based on the gravity. Um, getting that information into group high was really the heavy lift. Now that it’s there, the next feature use, hopefully it’s on my list of things to do where I can put in a gravity based temperature profile instead of just a time-based one.
Colter (Host): Wow. That would be a really cool feature. Uh, Really looking forward to having something like that and the ability to do that in the future. What, what would you say is the cost of entry right now? If I were to say, I don’t even have a raspberry PI, I need to buy all the things to, to acquire, to, to build this. What, what would you say is the cost of entry and what kind of parts do I need to get set up with group high remix?
Lee Bussey: Well, like you mentioned, you need a raspberry PI, but, uh, even that is not necessary. Um, people can run any old PC. They have laying around most, usually a Davion, one of those, uh, uh, forks, um, You can even take an image of raspy and created for the Intel processor, meaning you can run raspy and on an old PC just to make everything the same, uh, that said in the past, some folks have had. Some success running even on a windows machine, but I sincerely not recommended. Um, you can buy a raspberry PI zero w w for wireless for about $22 brand new right now, $22 for a computer is ridiculously cheap. Um, so to have something that you can just talk off to the side and not worry about if your kids are playing games games, or what have you. Um, that’s quite a bit of, uh, peace of mind. Um, you know, the who knows you can get anything. $3. If you check on the Chinese websites up to $15, I’ve looked on Amazon before he had this conversation. So all told the most expensive way to go. Having to buy everything brand new. You have nothing laying around. You are completely new to this. Buying everything on Amazon. If you want two day delivery, I picked all prime items. It’s $126, not including the fridge or a box to put it in. That’s kind of on the high side. Um, but if you have a new note laying around, if you’ve got a computer laying around a couple of these other parts, uh, folks have been able to do this for as low as 20 $30. I’m getting everything from China. Okay. I got the price this morning, as I was looking through, they’re down to about $40 with careful shopping and figuring that I was going to build two or three of them, because a lot of those parts like the resistors come in, you know, the bulk packs, you can’t just buy one.
Colter (Host): Yeah. They come in big bulk packs and they cost about a penny. When you actually look at the cost of an individual resistor and even the temp probes that are used in it, you can buy the whole set for less than $10.
Lee Bussey: You can, and you find that the more that you play with these things, you just start having this stuff flying around.I probably have 50 10 probes within reach right now. So they just sort of grow and multiply.
Colter (Host): Yeah. I have the same problem. I actually have all of the stuff laying around my house to build probably three or four, uh, for men track or ESP 82 66 type controllers. I’ve I’ve. Definitely understand what it’s like to acquire things like that. And then if I were brand new to doing something like this and had obviously never soldered before, what are some of the common issues that people run into?
Lee Bussey: Um, you know, the most common issue right now is not knowing that there’s this new script. Uh, we talked about that Homebrew talk thread. Somebody starts at the beginning right there. They’re going to go off to the, uh, the fandom Wiki site. Um, they’re going to get some instructions that were part of the old instructions, searching the internet. You’re going to find all sorts of things and what I really distilled it down to as a single. Uh, man. So if people start with that single command, if they go to broop hierarchy, remix.com and just look at the very simple instructions there, and that takes care of probably 9% of the classic historical problems people have always had within that thread. Um, it’s kind of, you know, I like that, that churn people talking all the time about it because it keeps people interested. It keeps that thread up to the top of the list. You know, we’re where people are always discussing it. So having simplified this sort of had a negative effect if you will, but there’s less discussion people run it and it just works. So going back to, you know, thorax comment, anything that goes sideways as a bug, um, I think I’ve really nailed it on that one in a lot of ways. Um, but. It’s had an unintended side effects, unintended consequences, uh, aside from that, um, you know, those who knows or, or prone to, uh, erupt the prom, uh, there’s a button that clears that. So, um, there, you know, sort of, uh, Canned answers. People say something on the, on the forum and somebody immediately comes back and says, do this. You know? So that’s one of the most common things. And then just functionally, um, not, not starting with a clean install, uh, raspberry PI, you know, as you’re playing with it, do the things you’re installing all these packages that are some conflicts that can be created. Uh, you can install, uh, engine X, web server for one product, uh, where this product uses the classic Apache, um, and those two conflict with each other because they both turned to listen on the same chord. But if you start with a clean card, I yet to find somebody who has followed the instructions on a clean card and not been able to have it up and running in less than eight minutes. Uh, other than that, just get it running in their refrigerator. He was a fan, a little fan. One of those personal desk fans in their refrigerator makes a huge difference in the ability to keep that temperature, uh, pretty constant. And then, uh, not using a thermal Wells, but the thing I see, some folks who’ve had very good luck putting that probe on the outside of a fermentor. They insulate it with a piece of foam or what have you, and strap it on really good. But when I see inconsistency, you know, um, my temperature swinging around what’s going on. If I can get them to just use a Thermo well, as sort of a least common denominator that seems to take care of a bunch of problems. Other than that, it’s been gravy.
C: Yeah. The Thermo well was actually an issue for me. When I first started, I built mine back in 2014 and I tried trapping it to the side and my temperature’s swung all over the place. It was $12 from brewers. Hardware got a Thermo, well, put it through the top of a carboy and it was amazing. The difference then it was dialed to that 0.1 degree or that 10th of a single degree. And after that it was flawless.
Lee Bussey: Yeah. And I do love that Thermo well from, from those folks, rivers, hardware, great people, they had one of the best ones out there, spun and closed in the bottom. And what that means is it’s a very smooth seam. You can’t see a seam on it. Uh, you can get some for about $4 on Amazon now that are just crimped at the bottom. When I look at those, I see opportunities for Germany to grow. So I tend to stay away from those, but. If you were very careful if you boil them or what have you, you know, they might work out fine as well.
Colter (Host): The brewers hardware, yes. Has no has no seams on it. And the other thing is, is that the difference in price between $4 and $12, you’re just getting a much higher quality of Thermo. Well, and it’s also flared at the top in a way that makes it so that it just slaps right down. We’re talking easy, like the orange carboy cap.Can be what you use and not having to like drill through a bunk or anything like that with those, if they just work really well.
Lee Bussey: Yep. That’s exactly what my setup
Colter (Host): is The orange carboy cap.
Lee Bussey: Yep.
Colter (Host): That’s that’s awesome. I two, a for monster and just drill the hole through the top of my cap. So that’s my, my bunghole actually holds my Thermo well and the hole I drilled in the top of my cap and then added a gasket is where I put my airlock. So. That that’s at least what my setup looks like
Lee Bussey: for monster here as well. I’ve been playing with the, uh, the ice spindle and yes, I will include support for that coming up. Uh, but as you know, those things are huge compared to the tilt. So that necessitated buying a few do fermenters to play with.
Colter (Host): Yeah. They, they are much larger when, when you look at the tilt hydrometer, it’s about. Half the size and width is compared to the ice spindle. And then the other thing is, is that, uh, it’s also not as long it’s, it’s, it’s a lot more compact, right? Yeah. And then are you working on any new projects that have to do with homebrewing?
Lee Bussey: I am. I’m a bit of a serial hobbyist. Anytime something comes up, uh, well that add takes hold, and I kind of go off in that direction. So, uh, recently had another, uh homebrewer and I, we had a conversation about an idea, um, and what we came up with, it’s a product or a project, which allows what I’m calling Donna connected for growers. Those people who may not be, uh, Running temperature control or crazy logging or having very expensive instrumentation, but they just want to collect data about their Beaver and their wine fermentation. Um, so this new project is passive. Um, people are happy. A lot of people are happy with no temp control, but they can also add these features to existing setups, like the ferment for the brew pies. Um, so it’s going to track, uh, fermentation start, finish relative fermentation rate, uh, and also allow you to track ambient and, uh, the vessel temperature. If you don’t have some other way to track that, uh, it includes a mobile responsive webpage. It can upload to the cloud, whether that’s one of the brewing related websites or something like UBIT dots. Um, and of course it’ll be integrated out of the box with rupiahs. So I get that, um, Um, and inexpensive, most of all. So, you know, tilt at $130 are, you know, as far as I’m concerned, I have several of them, but it’s still $130. And some folks rather spend that on supplies. Uh, the Play-Doh $130. It does some of these same things. Um, this project, depending on crafty shopping, buying from China, building one at the same time, uh, you can probably be all in for under $20 and have something that’s going to give you a lot more information than what you have right now.
Colter (Host): That’s really exciting. I can tell you that, like for example, the guy who lives across the street from me, he’s an avid homebrewer and. He doesn’t have temp control and he has a really cold spot in his basement. He makes great beer. He doesn’t, the temperatures in his mind don’t swing a lot and he seems to do just fine. Right. So for him to go out and build a big fermentation chamber is not really in his future, but he definitely wants things like, like a tilt or some sort of thing to watch his fermentation because I, I think that even the passive hoper, including me, when you’re fermenting, you’re always looking at it. Right. You go out and look at the bubbles. You’re looking at the, the yeast churning. Well, to have some data to back that up is still gonna help you make better beer. Just knowing when your fermentation’s done is going to help you make better beer.
Lee Bussey: Exactly. Yeah. There’s a lot of information that can be had just by watching or in this case electronically watching.
Colter (Host): Yes, exactly. I mean, for me, the, I felt like the tilt or the ice spindle for me were like, game-changers just in the fact that I could always tell when my fermentation was done and being able to know that it was done without having to open the vessel and take a reading and go back two days later and take another reading. You just know. And it’s great.
Lee Bussey: Yep.
Colter (Host): Yep.
Lee Bussey: Yep. They are fantastic products.
Colter (Host): They really are. Uh, any, any other kind of improvements for your, for your brewery? What, what kind of beers are you brewing? What, what are you up to.
Lee Bussey: Um, you know, I don’t burn as much as I used to. I started brewing in 91 and I, uh, I have this terrible habit of going to the most extreme degrees. So when the early nineties I was doing all brain, which was kind of crazy at the time and I was propagating yeast and I became a Homebrew, uh, certification program. Uh, what is it? Uh, PHB. D H I can’t remember what they call it these days. It’s changed a couple of times, but I was a certified Homebrew judge in the nineties. Um, so I certainly am in flow right now, kind of in the a M stage. Um, I have one thing in the fermentor right now at Skeeter P I make a big batch of that every year, and this one is a little late, but a fantastic bring to cookouts. And I have one of those cookouts coming up. So that’s, what’s going on right now.
Colter (Host): I’ve home-brewed for about 10 years. I’ve never once made Skeeter P I, I obviously need to do it.
Lee Bussey: I, you know, I have a fail safe method for it. I’ll send it to you.
Colter (Host): I would love it. I’ll actually, if you send me your recipe for Skeeter PLA I’ll add it to the show notes so that people can make it.
Lee Bussey: Make it
Colter (Host): awesome. Um, the other thing I would say is why don’t, why don’t you send me over the information. Anyone would need to build out a brew pie remix. And maybe even a small, just kind of jotted down parts list so that I can add that to the show notes. And if anybody would like to find them just go right to our show notes, I’ll add links to all of this so that you can see that. And, uh, other than that, I would say, Hey Lee, and thank you very much for coming on the show and discussing the brew pie remix. This is a really cool project, and I’m really glad that you’ve done something supporting the Arduino because it really supports people like be I still have an Arduino setup on my system just because. It was working. And all I did is change my, my, my web server. Right. And so the idea is that it’s a fail safe way to work, and I’ve actually never even had knee problem issue with mine. So it does work and they work well.
Lee Bussey: Thanks for your time. Appreciate you letting me off.
Colter (Host): Hey, thank you very much. And thank you very much, Lee, and have a great day.
Lee Bussey: You too.
Once again, I want to thank Lee for taking the time to talk to me about the brute high remix. I also want to thank him for working on such a great free and open source project. If you want more information on brew PI remix and any of these other projects, why don’t you head on over to group high rebates.com once again, that’s brew pie, remix.com.
Last, if you can come over to our website, homebrewing DIY up here, you can get the most detailed show notes. And images of a finished group pie set up and also I’ve uploaded Lee’s recipe for Skeeter P I already have plans to make some, and I hope you do too. You can download your, the recipe over@homebrewingdiy.beer.
Well, that’s the end of today’s show. And thanks for listening to homebrewing DIY .
